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Criticism section / Comments attracting criticism section

The section was just renamed, which got me to think the whole things should be broken up. Per WP:CRITS I'm thinking the different parts should be merged into the Views and Parliamentary career sections. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 00:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've deconstructed the criticism section and moved the different parts elsewhere in the article, apart from the part about white smoke and the Pope which I removed per WP:BALASP as it seems to have had no lasting importance. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 19:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Separate article for Lammy's tenure as foreign secretary?

Former prime ministers Boris Johnson and David Cameron have articles dedicated to their tenures as Foreign Secretary (Johnson, Cameron). Because, for example, Jeremy Hunt doesn't have one, there appears to be a rather arbitrary process for creating separate articles dedicated to the tenures of foreign secretaries. Therefore, does Lammy, as the first Labour foreign secretary this decade, merit his own article? Maurnxiao (talk) 21:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would depend on how much there is to write about, and if third parties report on it. I doubt there's an immediate need for a separate article, but that could well change. Johnson has a separate article as there's a lot to write about, while Cameron's one appears to have been separated out as the main article is already quite long (as he was PM before he was FS). -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 00:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you and that does make sense. Maurnxiao (talk) 01:11, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant 'British' in the first sentence

The addition of British without any other changes to the first sentence is bulky and redundant. Maybe David Lindon Lammy (born 19 July 1972) is an English politician and lawyer who has served as Foreign Secretary of the United Kingdom since July 2024. (addition bolded) would work better. Any thoughts? -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 10:08, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this. Maurnxiao (talk) 12:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've made the change. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 18:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mastermind Appearance

Why is there no reference to Lammy’s Mastermind appearance? Rustygecko (talk) 02:47, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"English politician"

This description in the lead section is completely inconsistent with literally every single other sitting MP. No sitting British MP is described as an "English politician" other than Lammy. Why is Lammy being singled out here, ActivelyDisinterested? ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 16:08, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That no others are described as such is not much of a reason to make the change, consistency isn't required. Everything I'm going to say has been said. See the arguments in the RFC above. That RFC was the result of months of talk page comments, and edits and reverts going back muh further. There is no consensus to make the change you want to make, and the onus is on you to find consensus to make it. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 16:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree it's ridiculous especially as he's literally the British Foreign secretary. AusLondonder (talk) 16:28, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a good enough reason to break with consistency against literally every single other MP in the category UK MPs 2024–present. He's a British MP just as much as any other, and singling him out as "English" is just absurd and frankly wp:pointy. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 16:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Consistency and being a British MP were brought up in the RFC , if you have any new arguments I'm willing to listen. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 16:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how this is a neutrality issue, the details are backed up by sources and the weight of those has been put through the RFC as well. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 16:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's absolutely a neutrality issue, given the subject of ethnicity having been brought up repeatedly. Again, there's no valid reason for this article to break with precedent, absolutely none whatsoever. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]